Douglas Misicko alias Douglas Mesner update 4
We recommend you read these pages before reading this page:
These pages will give readers the full background on this subject as well as a rebuttal to Mesner’s comments about ritual abuse and our conference. These pages list many of the comments posted by Douglas Mesner as well as other aliases. These pages will show connections between Mesner and websites like process, radiofreesatan.com and the book “Might is Right.”
Douglas Mesner has continued using insults and attacks against survivors of ritual abuse and the professionals that work with them.
S.M.A.R.T. presents a large amount of information on its website, mainly from mainstream newspapers, journal articles and scientific websites. S.M.A.R.T. may not necessarily agree with all of the views presented at our conferences, on our webpage and in our newsletters. S.M.A.R.T. does however try to give voice to survivors of ritual abuse and child abuse crimes whenever possible. In his vicious attacks on S.M.A.R.T. , Mesner repeats a few points that represent less than one tenth of one percent of our work, describing them in a subjective manner meant to discredit S.M.A.R.T.’s work.
An alias at one of his articles calls people at S.M.A.R.T. “frauds and con-artists.” The reality is that S.M.A.R.T. works very hard to present honest and accurate information about child abuse and ritual abuse crimes.
Mesner continues to incorrectly states that “bill schnoebelen” spoke at our conferences, in a false attempt to connect our conference presenters to research on “evil extraterrestrial invaders.” He never spoke at any of our conferences. Our conferences work with child abuse and ritual abuse victims and their helpers and have no connection to research on “extraterrestrial(s).” He claims that a member of S.M.A.R.T. posts information on a list that discusses information about ritual abuse, mind control and alien abduction issues. Yet S.M.A.R.T. only posts about child abuse issues on this list. Stating that this connects S.M.A.R.T. to alien issues is like stating someone who posts a comment in a blog or publication agrees with the publication and other commentators. The connection made by Mesner is illogical and untrue. He writes that he questions the reliability of Neil Brick’s work. Yet, with the misstatements made by Mesner, perhaps it is the reliability of his work that should be questioned.
Mesner misrepresents the arguments made by those stating ritual abuse is real. The veracity of recovered memories is only one part of the evidence showing that ritual abuse survivors memories are real. The evidence includes criminal convictions, scars, other family members verifications of these crimes, similar stories by people who do not know each other and the common symptomology shared by ritual abuse survivors. At times, there are even perpetrator confessions of these ritual abuse crimes. All of this is apparently ignored by Mesner.
Another argument Mesner misrepresents is in essence that those who attack the veracity of ritual abuse survivor’s stories are attacking child abuse stories in general and he disagrees with this. Yet S.M.A.R.T. believes this is true. The attacks on the resources available to ritual abuse survivors and the attacks on the believability of ritual abuse survivors’ stories hurt all trauma victims. By attacking and attempting to discredit ritual abuse survivors and their stories, the attacks move to those suffering from dissociative disorders like DID, cult abuse victims and eventually all child abuse survivors. This creates an environment where child abuse survivors are less likely to be believed. This may be why the attacks often begin against ritual abuse survivors first.
Mesner misrepresents and takes out of context ritual abuse survivors stories and does not present information that backs the veracity of their stories. The question is, if Mesner thinks he is right, why is there a need to call names, insult and harass others? Why is there a need to make incorrect factual statements? Shouldn’t a logical argument based on factual data suffice? This shows that there is more than simple debate is going on here. Is he trying to sway others’ opinions of ritual abuse survivors by unfairly attacking ritual abuse survivors with insults and name calling? Is he trying to discourage ritual abuse survivors from telling their stories or discussing these topics publicly?
Mesner presents a recording he made of an interview with a past president of a dissociation and trauma organization. He claims that this shows that the person interviewed is making statements that separate S.M.A.R.T.’s work from others in the field. It is S.M.A.R.T’s belief that this organization has not been supportive of ritual abuse research in the field in recent years and its own clinicians at times, due to the external pressure from false memory proponents and organizations. This only weakens the field of dissociation and trauma as a whole due to its being divided and may be exactly what these false memory organizations want to happen. This also hurts the dissociation and trauma organization itself, because some of those that have attacked ritual abuse survivors’ stories have also attacked their organization. Hopefully, this organization will realize that this is a mistake and will support the research and stories of all clinicians and survivors in the field.
S.M.A.R.T. has had many published professionals speak at its conferences. S.M.A.R.T. has produced hundreds of pages of research articles backing its viewpoints.
When deciding upon the veracity of S.M.A.R.T.’s research and work, we recommend that readers check out the credentials of those attacking S.M.A.R.T., their experience in the field of child abuse and the tactics they use vs the research we provide that conclusively proves that ritual abuse exists.
Evidence ritual abuse exists: