Exposing Doug Mesner/Lucien Greaves – co-founder of the Satanic Temple and Grey Faction presenter
Exposing Doug Mesner/Lucien Greaves – co-founder of the Satanic Temple and Grey Faction presenter
This page was created to let people know the other side of Doug Mesner/Lucien Greaves’ work.
In the article: “Mental Health Licensing Board Ignores Complaint Against “Satanic Panic” Conspiracy Counselor” By Doug Mesner (alias of person using alias Lucien Greaves) Daily Kos,
Doug Mesner repeats the same misinformation about Neil Brick and S.M.A.R.T. This has all been refuted in previous articles:
https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/reply-to-the-satanic-temples-grey-faction-online-guest-post/ “Continued bullying, online harassment, name calling and personal attacks are occurring in the comment section under the Satanic Temple’s Grey Faction online guest post.”)
Interestingly in the comment section under Doug Mesner/Lucien Greaves’ article, there are several criticisms:
“If true, the entire diary is going after someone for their disabilities, and trying to get them barred from work because of their disabilities. Flagged.”
“Until you’ve sat with a client and easily (I never used hypnosis) persuaded or asked alter personalities to “come out” and saw the complete transformation of a person to another person in a split second… you can’t fully understand what DID is like.”
“This is creepy and I’m flagging it for confusing weird elaborate accusations that lack suitable citation. If someone is able to defend this and can add some real citations, I will remove my flag.”
“No that the letter you cite verifying that Brick is sane and in remission isn’t linked just quoted….The website process.org claims to be you and writes “In Defense of Neil Brick” and now you write with a petition against him. The website I linked to first that is Brick’s blog in rebuttal to you is from 6 years ago so obviously you’ve been writing this for at least 6 years using the same language and I wonder why. There’s plenty of weird ideas online and on youtube and what I understand from this diary is you want Brick to be ineligible to act as a Licensed Counselor but he was evaluated and passed the eval although you offer no evidence of that part. But you say upthread you will add that part later. You should have waited to publish until you had that to add. That you sneer at me about hyperlinks just adds to the creepiness I feel about what you wrote. Defensiveness doesn’t add to anyone’s validity.”
“It is certainly possible to have dissociative disorders that are not iatrogenic, as I myself had one.”
Doug continues his insults in the comment section below the article:
“hack quack therapists”
“harmful BS hysteria”
“Your comments are dishonest and frustratingly stupid.”
Doug discusses psychiatric diagnoses, yet it is unknown if he has any training at all in diagnosing these or their symptoms.
Other online criticisms of Lucien Greaves and The Satanic Temple;
(Note: All accusations are alleged and only the opinions of the specific websites cited. Please check websites listed for sources.)
Harvard can do better than give a platform to a “Black Mass” promoter who ridicules sex abuse victims http://www.patheos.com/blogs/feastofeden/2014/05/harvard-can-do-better-than-give-a-platform-to-a-black-mass-promoter-who-ridicules-sex-abuse-victims/
“More Internet searching shows Greaves, as Doug Mesner, works….with the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, which was founded by Pamela and Peter Freyd after their adult daughter Jennifer accused her father of rape….One of the organization’s founding members, the late Ralph Underwager, gave a lengthy interview to a pro-pedophilia journal in the 1990s in which he criticized pedophiles for not being “bold enough.” Underwager said, “Pedophiles can make the assertion that the pursuit of intimacy and love is what they choose. With boldness they can say, ‘I believe this is in fact part of God’s will.”
To be fair, Underwager, when criticized over the interview, said his comments had been taken out of context.”
“All of which is to say that, as a victim of child sexual abuse, I do not think very much of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation or its co-founder Underwager, and so likewise do not think much of Greaves’ association with it or his ridiculing people who claim to have recovered memories of child sex abuse. (Again, he has a long Internet trail, which in this case shows quite a bit of vituperation directed at child sex-abuse victims and those who support them.)”
How to stop the OKC “Black Mass” for now
“I wrote about …. previously when expressing concern over Harvard “Black Mass” promoter Greaves:
I am not encouraged by the fact that Greaves is close with registered sex offender …, who, along with his wife, run a Satanic worship center in …..
Look up …..in the national sex offender registry and you will see that he was convicted of sexual battery in 2009. The rap sheet notes that he has satanic tattoos all over his body. The court ruled that he had to remain on the registry for life.
In what appears to be some sort of sick joke, the website of … Satanic “church” features a “rape awareness” page decorated with images of flowers.”
Critiques of Lucien Greaves and the Satanic Temple from former associates:
religion: a master and slave relationship by Shane Bugbee
“I’ll try to explain why I have such a disdain for The Satanic Temple, a practical joke turned religion and could be cult, and the reasons behind my need to make that disdain public, as there is seldom one reason.”
“Then Doug told me his main motivation for The Satanic Temple was profit, to create a “substantial income”, that was enough for me to want to cease helping in any way, and to question the true intent of this project. While I am all for profit, I want nothing to do with a cult. Because the people The Satanic Temple wants to extract money from are MY people….”
“I recall Doug Mesner telling me the C.I.A. had asked him to write some private reports for them, maybe in my most paranoid state I could run with and ramble about the possibilities there… More likely, The Satanic Temple is just the act of a group of social and career climbers using slick psychological marketing tricks in the tradition of Edward Bernays to meet their ends. But at the least, I think anyone could question and everyone should question the intent of a guy from wealth and without ties to the occult as to why he has decided to fund a Satanic religion while pulling the strings of a guy who has such a brilliant mind, who has studied the science of the mind at one of the top learning facilities in the world, and maybe, just maybe you could come up with the same conclusion I have, that The Satanic Temple has ulterior motives above and beyond helping mankind or making a movie.
A Satanic monument is a mindful person looking into a mirror… religion is a control mechanism.
beware – be aware.”
High Priest Brian Werner resigns from The Satanic Temple
“The Satanic Temple’s spokes man Doug Mesner aka Lucien Greaves, just stabbed us in the back. It seems time and time again, we help other Satanists get things going, then all the sudden the knife is sunk in. Here is another one to add to the list…. Here are some emails between Lucien Greaves and Dastur Adam Daniels”
Articles from https://ritualabuse.us :
The Urban Legends of Those Attacking Ritual Abuse Theories and the False Logic of False Memory Proponents and Their Occultist Supporters – Presentation by Neil Brick
“My license to practice therapy has been threatened with filed licensing complaints by people connected to a group called the Grey Faction, a part of the Satanic Temple. My job as a therapist has nothing to do with my advocacy efforts to stop child abuse and I have very clear professional and private boundaries that I maintain to ensure this continues to occur. Yet, the Grey Faction associates keep harassing me and others in the field. Their attacks are factually inaccurate and meritless. Their attempts to silence me have not worked. I have continued to publish research and promote the truth about child abuse, ritual abuse and mind control crimes on the Internet. Their campaign to silence child abuse survivors and rape victims has combined harassment, propaganda and misinformation.”
“I believe that the work of the Grey Faction is meant to purposefully dehumanize and insult ideological opponents, so our ideas are derided and not believed.”
“We can see common threads in attacks against child abuse survivors throughout history. Child abuse survivors have been called crazy, confused, hysterical, delusional and so on in attempts to maintain the status quo of child abuse being covered up in our society. Regardless of what the false memory occultists write, the reality is that they are part of this cover up. Instead of focusing on the factual information I write, I have been attacked personally in an attempt to silence me.”
Reply to the Satanic Temple’s Grey Faction online guest post
“In conclusion, the guest post by the Satanic Temple’s Grey Faction criticizes the strong research and theories of ritual abuse survivors and those with years of research, experience and education in the trauma field. (The members of the Grey Faction have unknown credentials and may not have the experience to accurately determine trauma theory and research.) The guest post by the Satanic Temple’s Grey Faction presents inaccurate arguments, which are refuted in this article. The Grey Faction claims they are combating pseudoscience with rational inquiry, but this rational inquiry is actually predetermined opinion, bolstered by name calling, ad hominem attacks and insults. There is no real rational inquiry because there is no evidence that all of the facts were looked at neutrally to derive a conclusion. It appears the only facts considered were the ones that back their arguments. In its articles, the Grey Faction hides behind the name of science and rationality, when in reality it appears it is an advocacy organization used to discredit ritual abuse survivors realities’ and their resources.”
Reply to the Grey Faction’s Petition to Revoke the License of Neil Brick
“The petition states that The Allied Board of Health Professionals licensure division, having previously received a complaint…did nothing. The fact is that no violations were found and no disciplinary actions were taken. We believe that this new letter is part of the continued actions of harassment against Neil Brick and those that help child and ritual abuse survivors.”
“The petition states “While we are not privy to records that indicate methods of treatment employed in Neil Brick’s practice.” This is one of the most important parts of the letter. There is no evidence there are any problems with any methods of treatment Neil uses.”
Douglas Misicko alias Douglas Mesner update 7 – Radio Interview Rebuttal
“Doug Mesner has continued his attacks on Neil Brick and other ritual abuse survivors. He continues his use of name calling and insults against ritual abuse survivors and their helpers. He repeats the same misstatements about the conference we have rebutted in earlier articles on this website. He calls those he has ideological disagreements with as having delusions and paranoia.
In a radio interview…, Mesner states “The organization S.M.A.R.T is run by this little shit named Neil Brick, he’s actually when I first saw him, he’s this staggering little moron with this greasy comb over and thick glasses, and he’s very short and very frail.” Of course, this physical description isn’t true. Mesner paints a false caricature of an ideological opponent to discredit them in the eyes of the reader. This is a dishonest attempt to discredit someone and their ideas. Neil Brick doesn’t stagger, is a genius (test score), doesn’t have thick glasses and is in excellent physical shape now and was at the conference. This fabricated description is part of the false narrative Mesner paints to back up the other false ideas he promotes to incorrectly discredit ritual abuse survivors.
S.M.A.R.T and Neil Brick have repeatedly contested the so-called factual points of his articles and have disproven many of them. Mesner calls Neil Brick’s story delusional, but has no evidence it is, other than Mesner’s own belief system. Of course, this is not evidence of anyone’s delusion, but evidence of Mesner’s disagreement and nothing more.”
“Mesner in essence paints a false picture of ritual abuse survivors and their helpers without any real evidence to try and discredit them. To the best of our knowledge, he has little to no experience dealing with severe abuse survivors and has no training in working with them.”
Douglas Mesner and the Lucien Greaves Satanic Temple Connection
“The Satanic Temple’s website stated: In 2012, Neil Bricke, raised in a multigenerational Satanic Temple tradition of worship, decided, with the blessings of his fellow Satanic devotees, to officially found the Satanic Temple.
SMART believes that this was meant to be an attack on Neil Brick, the founder of SMART. Neil Brick works to educate the public about the different types of child abuse and their existence.”
“Without any evidence presented, it claims that clients are somehow indoctrinated into believing the horrific things that actually happened to them as children. This is unproven and false. The myth that survivors of severe childhood abuse are somehow encouraged to remember these memories in treatment is also false. There’s no evidence that a patient can be “indoctrinated” into believing a memory of abuse in a normal therapeutic setting.”
“In another article at vice.com (also covered in other Internet articles) about Satanists turning the founder of the Westboro Baptist Church’s deceased mother “gay,” the article describes “Lucien Greaves” performing a “Pink Mass” over the grave of the Westboro Baptist Church founder’s mother. The article states that the Pink Mass is a Satanic ritual performed after death that will turn a deceased person’s straight spirit into a homosexual one. This event was covered on many other news pages also. The Satanic Temple states it eschews supernaturalism, yet performs rituals over a dead person’s grave. There were also pictures of Lucien Greaves on the Internet of him pulling his penis while rubbing his scrotum on the gravestone. In the state of Mississippi, where this ritual occurred, “Lucien Greaves” was charged by the police with desecration of a grave according to a vice.com article and other articles on the Internet.”
“”Douglas Mesner has continued using insults and attacks against survivors of ritual abuse and the professionals that work with them. He has followed survivors and survivor advocates around the Internet for the last several years. Aliases have been used adding additional insults and name calling against survivors.”
Additional Information on Douglas Mesner and SMART:
Please sign this petition to show support for those attacked by Doug Mesner/Lucien Greaves:
Petition to Stop Attacks Against Child Abuse and Ritual Abuse Survivors and Neil Brick
“Recently vicious online attacks have been published by The Satanic Temple’s Grey Faction and Douglas Mesner/Lucien Greaves.”